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  Watchtower's 49 Date Failures Mostly Ditched Without Fanfare

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  2. beliefs

  watchtower's apparent obsession with calendar dates is legendary.

  what follow's are snippets from the main article.

  link will follow.. .

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  FatFreek 2005

  Thanks to all for your encouragement. If it can help a single person do some thinking for herself / himself it's been worth it.

  Len Miller
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  Letter to my sons, why I left WT -- 1975 and lies were reasons

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  several months ago i wrote a letter to two of my sons, still jw.

  the letter is 41 years belated.

  i am now 78 years old so this was a bucket list item.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Several months ago I wrote a letter to two of my sons, still JW. The letter is 41 years belated. I am now 78 years old so this was a bucket list item. Below is a snippet from the front page. This link fetches the entire 14 page letter.

  
  
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  Watchtower's 49 Date Failures Mostly Ditched Without Fanfare

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  watchtower's apparent obsession with calendar dates is legendary.

  what follow's are snippets from the main article.

  link will follow.. .

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hadn't heard about that magic chicken, Joey. Thanks for sharing.

  And, for that group FIVE times on the list -- perhaps with the internet, it will get less and less. Perhaps forums like this will slowly fade, and I have a feeling it wouldn't hurt Simon's feelings even a little bit.

  As for Atlantis, perhaps we could share a frothy one some day. Oh, I'm glad to see (other post) that you're getting more recognition, which you deserve.

  For those who don't know, Atlantis is one of this forum's treasures with his continuous stream of leaked publications and the generosity of his time.
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  Watchtower's 49 Date Failures Mostly Ditched Without Fanfare

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  watchtower's apparent obsession with calendar dates is legendary.

  what follow's are snippets from the main article.

  link will follow.. .

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  FatFreek 2005

  Watchtower's apparent obsession with calendar dates is legendary. What follow's are snippets from the main article. Link will follow.

  
  

  
  

  
  

  To read main article, please click here.
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  The 24 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower's Most Heralded Date, 1914

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the year 1914 would be disappointing.

  perhaps even more so than the great disappointment which happened some 70 years earlier at the hands of a a baptist preacher, william miller.

  it placed target years of 1843 -- 1844 on the map of popularity.

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  FatFreek 2005

  I lived through the 1975 debacle but as I imagine and place myself (in my mind) in the shoes of a JW just before 1914 (like Benjamin in his letter to his deceased grandparents), I actually don't think that they are parallel.

  Before 1914, the believers had far more numerous and concrete things to look forward to -- 24 of them. The 1975 folks were looking for an inferred event since WT never said anything definite. Of course WT admitted that their implications went too far.

  Before 1914, as that table of quotations reveals, WT gave those folks definite events in their future. It would be interesting if we had statistics of the falling away of those years.

  1914 WT was worse than 1975 WT.

  Len Miller
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  Hello

  by Hendrixgrip in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  hi, this is my long overdue introduction.

  i’ve been visiting this site since probably around 2011. in that time, i’ve taken a lot from these discussions and never contributed anything.

  i’m not sure that i have much to contribute these days because i just don’t pay too much attention to wt land.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Hendrixguy, we are so proud of you. By the way what is this “growing tunnels” that you read about?
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  The 24 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower's Most Heralded Date, 1914

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the year 1914 would be disappointing.

  perhaps even more so than the great disappointment which happened some 70 years earlier at the hands of a a baptist preacher, william miller.

  it placed target years of 1843 -- 1844 on the map of popularity.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Good observations, Fink.

  They didn't accept Jesus's commandment and admonishment to his faithful followers to not set a time upon god's own sacred time, for even he didn't know of the time.
  
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  The 24 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower's Most Heralded Date, 1914

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the year 1914 would be disappointing.

  perhaps even more so than the great disappointment which happened some 70 years earlier at the hands of a a baptist preacher, william miller.

  it placed target years of 1843 -- 1844 on the map of popularity.

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  FatFreek 2005

  The year 1914 would be disappointing. Perhaps even more so than The Great Disappointment which happened some 70 years earlier at the hands of a a Baptist Preacher, William Miller. It placed target years of 1843 -- 1844 on the map of popularity. To throngs of anxious followers (Estimates of Miller's followers -- the Millerites -- vary between 50,000 and 500,000) it was supposed to be the second coming of Christ.

  It, of course, failed.

  Watch Tower's Charles Taze Russell hadn't even been born by the time Miller passed away in 1849. However, when Russell published The Watch Tower, Miller was still considered a Brother in the faith to Russell and Rutherford. Strangely, he was even called "Father Miller" in various Watch Towers as late as the mid 1920's. In order to merit such a title I can only suppose that Watch Tower principal’s degree of admiration for Miller was still high.

  The year 1914, in my humble opinion, would be The Great Disappointment II. Russell, within pages of Zion's Watchtower proceeded to prime his readership with new signals of what would happen in, and just prior to, this new target year.

  
  

  More snippets follow:

  
  

  For full article, click following link.
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  Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?

  by Earthmeasured in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.

  im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.

  i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Earth measured if you have a computer which I'm kind of convinced you do not you could go on to the free app called Google Earth and see what the globe looks like and then Spin and zoom in on various cities around the globe, Amsterdam, New York City, Sacramento, Sydney, Moscow, London, the North Pole and then the South Pole

  Come back and report to us what you see
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  I gotta have a perfect K-Cup machine replacement

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, my keurig bit the dust after 14 years.

  i want one just like it but that models not available.

  it was only capable of a single cup, from 8 ounces to 12 ounces.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Yes, my Keurig bit the dust after 14 years. I want one just like it but that models not available. It was only capable of a single cup, from 8 ounces to 12 ounces. It depended on how much water you put in the reservoir as to how much went through the K-cup.

  In my case, and for Folgers Black Silk, 8.4 ounces (235 grams as measured by my kitchen scale) plus or minus a gram. Other types need different ounces. One off-brand and 205 grams makes an acceptable cup.

  No, 8 ounces is too strong. 9 ounces is too weak.

  Which is why I can't abide the automatic as it dispenses 8 or 10 or 12 ounces. I need infinite tween capability.

  Oh, and it needs a sensor like my old Keurig. If I forget the water it doesn't work.

  No, I don't want to get one at Walmart simply because I can take it back for a refund. That's not fair to Walmart -- and it's not fair to me if it doesn't meet my needs (unpackaging's always a hassle; then there's the clean cycle before you even use it; repackage and take back if it doesn't satisfy)

  What do you use?